Krishnamurti said ‘Thought’ has created all the problems…!!!
In the second part of the video Bernard starts by asking, “Must we not even seek Happiness?” To which Krishnamurti retorts, “No, Happiness is a side effect, it’s not an end in itself.” Bernard returns by saying, “Is it wrong to seek the condition of Happiness that doesn’t depend on anyone else’s suffering or without causing harm to others?” This is a little difficult question to answer and Krishnamurti resorts to his tried and tested trick of asking the interviewer to explain the very word he’s trying to discuss with him, “What do you mean by Happiness?” Bernard, being the smart one, falls for the unseen trap, and like most people, is quick to answer, “It may be called an innocent pleasure, if you like.” As he says this, one cannot stop from smiling as Krishnamurti catches him half sentence, “That’s all, as long as one has pleasure you call that Happiness.” This is a very important matter to consider as we accept it as that. This is our human condition and we never ever break through it. So the question at hand is what can make us finish with all this? This line of thinking, of course begs another question from Bernard, “Why should we, after all love is one of the most beneficial aspects of mankind?” To which Krishnamurti responds, “It surely is, but it is now identified with desire, pleasure, sex, fulfillment, a sense of having fun in life and all that is called Love. I think that’s not Love.”
Somewhere inside one’s head realization starts opening its feeble eyes…!!!
Upon being asked, then what is Love, Krishnamurti deconstructs Love by taking the approach of examining what it is not. “Love and compassion along with intelligence is certainly not ambition.” Bernard agrees that Love is not ‘selfish ambition’ to exert power over people, but then again it leads to another question, what about the ambition to good? To this Krishnamurti shrugs knowingly, “You do good, you’re not ambitious to do good, then you become selfish. It’s self-centered activity, you DO Good, finish…!!!” But we do live in a world which depends on all this. Krishnamurti says, “Yes, we do. We live in a world that ‘Thought’ has created and it gets tremendous importance. ‘Thought’ has created all these problems. Wars, national and religious divisions.” Bernard comes back with a reference to all the good ‘Thought’ has created, Krishnamurti concurs; Surgery, Medicine, Art etc. and we couldn’t agree more. But the truth remains that we do live under the most destructive contribution of ‘Thought’ – Wars, Eternal Wars, and nobody seems to be able or wants to stop it. The reasons behind all this, is obvious and Krishnamurti shy’s away from getting into a detailed discussion about that.
Bernard jumps at the opportunity to ask, “But then how can we stop it?” and adds that we better start with ourselves, Krishnamurti agrees. But then the question arises, “How do we do that?” To answer this question Krishnamurti goes into a lengthy explanation about how the content of the overall Human Consciousness is created by ‘Thought’ which leads to very negative things, Greed, Anger, Ambition, Conflicts, Misery, Suffering, extraordinary sense of Isolation, Loneliness, Despair, the list goes on. He also points out that faith and belief also bring atrophy to the brain, be it in God, Savior or whoever. Bernard is flustered and interrupts Krishnamurti to point out that he doesn’t leave much standing. To which Krishnamurti smiles knowingly as if he expected Bernard to say this and responds, “of course not, that’s what I said – one has to be free of all the illusion ‘Thought’ has created, to see something really sacred which comes about through ‘Right’ meditation.”
Question – What is Right meditation??? Which suggests that there is also Wrong meditation???
Krishnamurti explains that all the meditation that is being taught all over the world, by gurus, yogis etc., is non-sense. Why? Because you must first put the ‘House in Order’. Now things are getting rather complicated. But isn’t meditation a means to put the ‘House in Order’? Not so…on the contrary you must first put the house in order; otherwise it becomes an ‘escape’. Bernard states that we surely need to escape from the ego, from the self, from desires, demands in ourselves and isn’t the silence of meditation a valuable path to that? Krishnamurti realizes that the question of meditation is very complex and puts it aside for another day. He goes on to explain that we must be able to put aside fear, get a thorough understanding of pleasure and the ending of sorrow. These are means of putting the ‘House in Order’ and from that arises Love, Compassion and Intelligence. We may call this a process, for the lack of a better word, which is part of Meditation. We have to find out if ‘Thought’ can ever stop and when we are able to do that we will achieve the great Silence. In that silence we can find that which is sacred.
It is impossible to not see the deeper meaning in these words as one analyses one’s own life. How much we live in fear of things from our past, present or things to come in the future. It will be an uphill task to put an end to fear of all these things in our lives, let alone stop ‘Thought’. Bernard reflects our thoughts by stating that to stop ‘Thought’ is one of the most difficult things in life, to be able to switch off the mind. Again Krishnamurti comes back with an explanation to such a complex question with so much ease that once he’s finished talking a whole lot of self-reflection is in order. As always he doesn’t give a direct answer, but asks, “Who is it that switches off the mind?” The answer to that is simple enough, the mind itself. Krishnamurti grabs on to that and explains that when one realizes that the observer is the observed, the controller is the controlled and the experiencer is the experience. When one actually realizes this, not just intellectually or verbally, but profoundly, then that very perception of oneself stops it (Thought). It’s like seeing danger, the moment you see it, you instantly move away from it. Similarly with conflict, the moment a person, who is in perpetual conflict, sees the psychological danger in it, he or she will move away from it.
Bernard shares his understanding of what Krishnamurti is stating, that it seems that there is no path to this and Krishnamurti agrees with him, to which he exclaims, “Well, how do we get there???” Krishnamurti explains, “These so called paths have been laid down by ‘Thought’. There is the whole Hindu idea of Paths, the Buddhist idea, the Christian idea etc. Truth is not a fixed point, so you can’t have a path to it.” Still Bernard hopes that there is a path to the end of conflict. Krishnamurti corrects him, “There is not a path. There is an ending to conflict, sorrow and all that, when there is actual sensitive awareness of what one is, without any distortion or choice. Out of that comes the ending of all this mess.”
Wow, just wow, we don’t know why, but this is really starting to make a lot of sense.
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